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I seriously don’t understand the Wayland hate. I’m running it on all my machines that run displays with the exception of my HA panels running on Raspbian.
Even my work laptop is Ubuntu, Nvidia, Wayland.
Ooooh how dare you? Dontyaknow Birdie from Phoronix is struggling to run a window manager from 1983 on a ATi Rage II with Wayland???!?!??
It’s here on Lemmy, too.
I was down to like -50 on a thread about an X11 vulnerability and all I wrote was, “Imagine still running X.”
I’d downvote that comment too. It adds nothing to the discussion and is deliberately confrontative and superficial.
That comment does look out of touch for a lot of people though
What Remote Desktop tool works for you in Wayland? Found none Working well on Wayland (Maybe I did something wrong when I tried VNC and RDP)
Remmina or krdc work fine for me. Also parsec (no hosting there though). Oh if hosting, I’m not sure, but moonlight/sunshine work fine for me, even if it’s not the usual desktop sharing app.
Honest answer? Steam RemotePlay
But this is only for games, isn’t it?
In the Steam Link app, you have the option to select “Start Streaming” without picking a specific game. This will stream the screen as it is without binding to a specific window.
The main caveats here are as follows:
- Requires a working pipewire & desktop portal configuration
- Depending on desktop portal & settings, you may need to manually click through the screensharing request modal on your desktop at the start of each connection
- The Steam client must be installed and running on your Linux machine in order to receive connections
The only time I RDP is to my Windows machine for gaming and I’ve had great success with Remmina
Oh, yea, was thinking the other way around: I want my GNOME session streamed to an iPad, that I can use on the couch. (OpenSuse tumbleweed)
Yeah, can’t help you there. I use Firefox tab sync to send browser sessions to other machines so I don’t feel the need to RDP into anything to keep a train of thought going.
I see, of course for browsing the web, I would still use a local browser on the iPad. I would use the remotes session for learning different linux/coding things, where SSH is not enough, while I’m not gone in the bureau for several hours but sharing the evening with the family.
Gaming. Frame rates on Wayland are horrible as compared to on X11
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So, as it’s been stated, Wayland is still not universally better than X. There are still bugs in places. Gaming is still an issue. Kwin’s implementation still isn’t complete enough to be reliably introduced as the default.
This is after years and years of work. Yes, making an entirely new display protocol is hard. However Wayland was introduced as the “eventual X replacement” when I was in high school. I’m 30 now. I’ve heard some variation of “Wayland is almost ready” since my senior year of college.
At some point it becomes exhausting. At this point when someone says something along the lines of “in a year or two, Wayland will reach a point where X.org will be a thing of the past” my immediate reaction is to call bullshit.
It was always just a matter of time. A LOT of time in the case of anything wayland related apparently.
It’s gonna get replaced by the next thing before it’s even ready.
Quite glad to see Mint looking forward, good on them.
Some positive news for a lot of Linux Mint users who have been complaining about the lack of Wayland support. However, as the blog post listed, it’s only going to be experimental in the next major update of Version 21. Still, it’ll be good to experience the change.
Also, very clever on the naming schemes used by the Debian and Mint teams for their stable and unstable releases.
Funny times: while one distro kicks Xorg overboard, another distro finally includes Wayland as experimental.
And then there’s XFCE
Which is not a distro nor a display server but, like kde and gnome, a desktop environment. They are actively working on wayland support as can be seen here: https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap
So just for clarification 😇
And I recognized now that this post was about cinnamon desktop environment, which comes with mint distro, and not the distro itself. So the comparison to GNOME would have been more fitting from my site (they’ll drop Xorg support soon, but still let it be installed in post).
So, yea, and then there is XFCE where we have no real clue when Wayland support is completely ready. But it seems like it could work with something called xwayland that seem to kinda emulate Xorg on wayland 🧐
Oh yeah, I was just mentioning them in general. The most exciting feature of their last big release was being able to change the clocks’ font.
I trust XFCE to bring in new features only when they are 100% sure it’ll work perfectly. That DE has been nothing but rocksolid for me, and I greatly appreciate that.
Though to push them a little bit, Xorg certainly has flaws when it comes to security, and since pretty much no one will make the effort of working on these flaws anymore, Wayland should be a higher priority for any distro or DE.
I like the careful approach. Yes, it’s going to take longer. But when it finally arrives, it’ll work.
Perfect for their overall philosophy.
Anyone know where the sources for this are? I can’t find many references to Wayland in the main Cinnamon repo, at least using GitHub’s search.
I wanted to check if they use wlroots for this or are writing yet another compositor from scratch.
Cinnamon uses Muffin, which is a fork of GNOME’s Mutter: https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin
This is important when windows inevitably dies (subscription-based Windows 12?!) and linux mint gets flooded. Better have the “new” thing from the start
Windows won’t die what are you talking about? Windows 12 subscriptions are a) just a rumor and b) not for the entire os, just certain features like AI and stuff
I heard there will be a ”windows 365". If windows goes full online like office 365 then the underlining OS could be
everythingLinux.I want your crystal ball
Windows is already dead.
Just a matter of time until people realize they’re on a dead platform.
You know like 70% of desktops run Windows right? That’s not what I would call “dead”. Almost every company out there uses Windows on their computers.
Don’t get me wrong, I would love it if Windows died but there are no signs at all of that happening any time soon.
Other than me, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a person, business, etc, in the wild running Linux.
Even business signs/billboard I’ve seen run Windows.
How is it dead?
They did write "Just a matter of time until people realize… " for clarity. 💀
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As long as there is software that only runs on Windows, Windows won’t die.
