• JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org
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    9 months ago

    It’s crazy how people seem to think they have to take sides in an argument. It’s okay to say both sides are fucked up. There’s plenty of videos showing Israeli kids talking about how they want to kill the Arabs, and there was that whole ass Disney/sesame street knock-off in Palistine that sang about AK-47s.

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    9 months ago

    Listen fam I know we need to condemn the war crimes and violence of both sides. But a message we can rally behind was taught to me by The Kavernacle.

    Hamas is, like the IRA, an extreme and desperate response to dehumanizing conditions laid out by Israel. Israel has put these people into worse than third world conditions. They use Hamas as a wedge to treat all Gazans worse. Israel has the power in this situation.

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    9 months ago

    Decades of settler colonial genocide: “This is normal”

    The colonized fight back one time: “Both sides are equally bad!!”

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    9 months ago

    Hamas targeted military facilities and personnel, and civilians were caught in the crossfire when Israel fired at them.

    Israel specifically targets civilians and massacres them. Even children. They burn them alive and torture them. Hamas is the last group left putting up a fight against this genocide. Hamas is not even a fraction of the concern that Israel is.

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        9 months ago

        You’re surprised that a dance rave that was held 10 minutes outside the border of a concentration camp and active war zone got caught in the cross fire?

        It was held in Re’im kibbutz, which is right next to the the Re’im Israeli military base.

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          9 months ago

          And pretty much indistinguishable. All those ravers, how could anyone differentiate them from military personnel???

          your logic doesn’t make sense to anyone who is not caught in ideological hatred.

          No wait, I’m calling it lies. Not logic. Lies.

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            9 months ago

            The rave had many Israeli military soldiers positioned, and they fired at the Palestinian resistance forces heading to Re’im base and skirmished with them, putting the ravers in the crossfire.

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              9 months ago

              The person I saw desperately hiding behind their car and shot and killed from three feet away by a Hamas fighter did not look to me to be an IDF soldier. They were deliberately targeted, not “caught in a crossfire”. Videos don’t lie.

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              9 months ago

              Eye witness reports “ Gunmen chased fleeing revellers across the desert, shooting and snatching people.”

              And many very similar stories, including brutal rape and beheadings.

              I continue calling your words lies.

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                9 months ago

                Gunmen chased fleeing revellers across the desert, shooting and snatching people

                They moved people off the battle field and kept them hostage, yes. They did not target and shoot civilians, the IDF put the ravers in crossfire when they engaged the Palestinian resistance. There’s plenty of footage of the incident online, and none of it shows that. I’d be happy to be proven wrong; show me evidence. If all you have is “trust me bro” from the Israeli government and media, who have a proven track record of lying (and already admitted that they lied about this latest Hamas operation), then your claims are to be ignored.