Live your best life Germany, don’t let the haters tell you otherwise
Could you just, you know, not?
Yeah, we could instead reduce coal to a historic low while building renewables…
Oh, wait. That is what is actually happening. But people keeping lying and pretend that there is an increase in coal instead because that’s what propagandists pay for.
I’m confused. 3 hours ago you provided valid sources to this claim but here you are 40 minutes ago not doing so.
Sorry, but I’m not paid for using Google for other people. Anyone interested in the actual topic will be able to find actual numbers about coal use in Germany within 10 seconds. Everyone more interested in the narratives will not care anyway.
Guess what happens if you type “coal use Germany 2022 vs 2023” into Google… My first hit is this:
Am I supposed to assume it’s an accident that the narrative is persistent when reality and actual facts are only one click away?
sorry but I’m not paid for using Google for other people.
Youre an adult, which means you can talk to other people without being snarky. And still, you did do exactly that in your other comment.
I was simply pointing out the inconsistency between your comments here. Not everybody is going to browse the whole thread, especially after they’ve already made a comment. It helps to spread proper information and facts around as much as possible, even if it’s annoying to repeat yourself.
Why are we supposed to be so against helping others learn? What’s the point in being that pessimistic that you assume they won’t care just because of the idea that they proscribed to a narrative?
Your idea that you can try to fight “bullshit” while being unwilling to have a conversation without insulting people for being lazy is why you’re being blocked by me. I don’t need this level of toxicity in my feed. Be a human being.
Incredible stupid that they shutdown nuclear reactors, instead of these coal plants.
If you care to google for even one minute you will see that Germany has reduced coal to a historic minimum even while reducing nuclear power.
But that doesn’t make as good of a headline to rave over.And if the conservative former government of 16 years hadn’t slowed actual green energy infrastructure as much as they did Germanys energy bill could look way better even.
Nuclear and green energy go hand-in-hand. For a stable and most CO2 efficient power network, nuclear provides the stable base energy, and green provide the changing load on top of it. If grid is only made of green energy, you will always have to have reserve of coal/oil/gas which is started when green production is not enough. You cannot resolve this by increasing the green capacity, because all of them have same dependencies.
Coal is the stupidest one, but gas/oil are not really that much better.
As is tradition.
They literally shut down nuclear to then power up coal…
What in the actual fu…
No, they didn’t. But as this lie needs to be parroted at least twice a week you are at least in good company and having friends that tell the same lie is always more important than the truth.
Explain?
If you jump through enough hoops you can try to say “aksually the nuclear shutdowns were decided for this or that other reason and the acceleration of shutdowns was from this other thing”, missing the forest for the trees that more nuclear power would mean less coal.
Germany increased renewables while decreasing nuclear and coal. When they shut down the last reactors that had to this point contributed less than 1,6% of the produced electricity coal instantly decreased more. Because those reactors contributing basically nothing still got renewables shut off at times. Germany’s coal use is at an historic low.
And at the same time everyone tells the fairy tale about the insane Germans trying to kill the planet by using more coal. That’s bullshit but it’s very well paid bullshit. Because the nuclear lobbyists pay to promote the story of how there is no alternative to nuclear power and fossil fuel lobbyists promote the story of how reducing coal isn’t working and you should stop trying.
PS: Also every country is restarting reactors in autumn as a reserve (and barely running) should they be needed in winter at some point. France for example did restart coal power plants last year at the same time as they weren’t sure they can get everything nuclear in order until winter (after they burned massive amounts of gas and forced neighbours to do the same to keep their grid stable… in the middle of a gas crisis). But that isn’t reported, because it’s not the desired narrrative.
For Reference:
Germany power production 1990-2020That’s the reality.
But hey… Germany is increasing coal use! They are insane! Cheer for me for parroting our most popular lie about the evil Germans!
And some fun facts for good measure:
Germany’s nuclear power production at its peak was never above 30% and given the increase in electricity demand in those 30 years even if they kept all those reactors forever it would still be irrelvant low today. But it’s good for propaganda to pretend otherwise
Germany while actively exiting nuclear power reduced nuclear power generation by less than France in the same time frame, just because they couldn’t keep all old their old reactors alive.
France today has not nearly enough nuclear power just to cover the minimal required base load of projected demand by 2050. (They also will need 14 completely new big reactors -not the 6 with optionally another 8, but the full set- to get there.) That’s the actual amount necessary to invest in nuclear.
Which also means basically any single country claiming to go for a nuclear solution is bullshitting you. Because they all don’t plan to build even remotely enough to ever cover base load. Why aren’t they? Because nobody has a clue how to foot that bill.
Also every nuclear model is actually a nuclear base load plus renewable model. Yet for some reason the exact same countries talking loudly about nuclear also lack the necessary renewables. Totally not caused by propaganda of course…
And at the end the not-so-fun fact: There is actually one thing you can criticise. The priority of reducing hard coal before lignite. But that’s caused by geopolitical factors (it’s domestic) and the fact that we inherited East Germany where lignite is sadly a big economic factor in some regions. One of the few relevant economy factors remaining in Eastern Germany. Just like cutting off Russian pipeline oil wasn’t a problem of oil per se but of Eastern German industries who build their existence on those deliveries even before the reunion.
Any level of coal use at this point should be criticized. Many other grids have found ways to eliminate. We can argue about whether or not it was caused by nuclear policy but those are the facts and I will continue to do so until they start taking this seriously.
Fucking great. From the summary let’s hope they only use it if they actually run out of NG.
