“Violating international law” is pretty sterile/soft verbiage for fucking war crimes.
It’s also funny because he also denounced Hamas’ attack even though resisting a military occupation/blockade is allowed by international law.
Yeah last I checked shooting up music festivals isn’t tho…
Every Hamas supporter seems to have this same cognitive dissonance.
Is Israel genocidal? Absolutely
Is hamas genocidal? Absolutely
Stop supporting genocide and claiming to be a leftist. You’re really just an extremist pos.
Yes, Israel has the advantage. No, that doesn’t make terrorism any less bad.
Stand with Palestine but denounce Hamas at every single opportunity, just as we should denounce the genocidal government of Israel at every opportunity.
serious question - if Jews in a ghetto during WW2 got together some weapons, revolted, left the ghetto and killed a bunch of German civilians partying right outside the ghetto, would you call it “genocidal” and “terrorism” and say “yes, while Nazi Germany is bad, so are these Jews who committed terrorism”?
Yeah, I’m pretty sure I would. Mindless violence is never a good thing…
Most German citizens were not nazis, just as most Israeli citizens aren’t in favor of genocide. A powerful and motivated political minority is a scary thing indeed, kinda like Repubs in the US, or the current leaders of Israel, or Hamas, or the countless far-right Renaissances happening across Europe rn. Need I go on?
Again, I don’t disagree that Israel is genocidal. That doesn’t mean mindless violence and genocide in return are anywhere near the answer. There’s a reason MLK would leave cities if protesting turned into rioting. Even when you have the right answers, turning to violence isn’t a solution.
Does it suck to take the high road all the time? Yeah. Do you have to do it to not fall to the same level as the opponents? Also yes.
Sitting on the side lines whining about “both sides bad!” during the literal Holocaust is not “taking the high road.” It’s being an unprincipled coward.
And MLK had pretty scathing words for people like you.
It’s not “both sides bad”
It’s “murder of civilians and children is murder of civilians and children, even when it’s an oppressed group fighting back against oppressors.”
The fact that you can’t tell the difference tells me a lot. I’d also argue that it shows you to be the unprincipled one.
That’s just “both sides bad.”
The fact that you can’t tell the difference tells me a lot.
And the fact that you can’t tell the difference tells me even more.
I’d also argue that it shows you to be the unprincipled one.
dork
it doesn’t suck for you to take the high road, you’re sitting in the west living a comfortable life, it’s super easy for you to ‘condemn’ both sides and go on with your day. what are Gazans supposed to do? they’re living in hell on earth, and the entire world had turned their backs on them.
peacefully protest? they’ve tried that
try to get the word out about how bad their situation is? they’ve tried that
what should they have done instead? just do nothing and let Israel keep building settlements and murdering them and commit a slow genocide? I can’t blame them for violently struggling in whatever means possible. even under international law, occupied populations have the right to engage in armed struggle. it sucks that it came to this, but Israel is responsible for every death that happens because they want to commit genocide against the native population rather than peacefully coexist.
Occupied populations absolutely have the right to engage in an armed struggle, just not the right to murder…
I do sit in an ivory tower here, but so do you, and that doesn’t make either of our words ring less true.
Take the words and actions of MLK, somebody who actually accomplished great social change while not living in that ivory tower.
Hate begets hate.
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
-MLK
“And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard.”
-Also MLK
The Jews would have been justified in killing every German they could get their hands on if it could help stop the Holocaust.
A genocidal society has no right to claim the mercy of a civilian/soldier distinction. They do not recognize it themselves.
It is a horrible tragedy on a personal level. No one person has any power over the situation they find themselves in, but that is the brutal logic of war. Societies will feel less safe in engaging in targeting civilians if their own are subject to retaliation when they do so.
But would it? No.
It wouldn’t help stop the holocaust, only create death and destruction, that’s kinda the whole point…
The death of your brother doesn’t make you want to forgive his murderer and instead radicalizes you more deeply against him.
Is Israel stopping the targeting of citizens now? No! They’ve cut off water and electricity to Gaza again.
Hate begets hate, dumbfuck.
Violence against Germany literally ended the Holocaust so you are just a clown.
I guess you would have sent thoughts and prayers to the extermination camps.
We have a Jewish politician open criticizing Israel, I’m pretty sure that says more than enough on its own
This you bitch? Bc this is how “it stops”
both sides
Comrade Amogus flags those paired words as extra sus whenever they are found!
Liberals are always dealing in the abstract. “Israel must stop oppressing Palestinians”
Ok who is going to make them? Then when the Palestinians stand up for themselves “this violence is abhorrent and must end immediately”
Ok how does it end? It’s like they have no concept of WHY people do things.
I have to think Bernie is smart enough to understand this, but American politics requires countless of these sorts of genuflections from those who want to be taken “seriously” by it. Can’t talk about the Cubann blockade without being all “of course their highly popular democratically elected government is evil, but”, etc etc.
Go fuck yourself Bernie. You bowed to this. You endorsed this. You imperialist piece of shit.
At least Jezza stood for principles and went down for them.
Once again, massive swinging dick Bernie Sanders is one of the few bold enough to actually spit truth, no matter how much shit he catches for it.
I watched Sanders a couple of Dutch interview shows in the past few days because his latest book was translated to Dutch. He seemed sharp as a whip.
And he’s Jewish.
Maybe its not the “jews” and the “palestanians” but the israeli government and hamas thats causing the problem. Also israel is a huge weapons testing facility for the us basically.
he says WHAT? didn’t he say the opposite like 1 day ago?
I mean, good, but
Hey Bernie, you used to be cool, but it’s time for your dues as well.
Maybe he was literally sent loads of
in his e-mails too, lmaoPalestinian resistance: “absolutely condemn”, “horrifying attack”, “no justification”, “it must end now”
Zionists doing Nazi shit in Gaza: “a war crime”
Fuck off you old piece of shit
How would you describe it?
Akin to the Warsaw uprising. People facing extermination rising up hoping to avert ultimate doom at the hands of uncaring monsters.
They knew how outmatched they were, but the alternative is submitting to genocide. Think about the desperation required to take this nearly hopeless fight. The sheer suffering.
I would describe the actions of the Palestinians as, hmm, let me just do a stream of conscious word association here:
based heroic justified correct good successful hopeful kickass revolution freedom
For a public statement by a U.S. Senator it is about as critical of Israel anyone could expect. I would wager far moreso in fact.
So glad zionists don’t control the narrative this time.
It seems like the internet is doing it’s job, for once.
They do sadly. The media has repeated Israeli lies again and again even when provided with no proof of their claims. The whole baby beheading thing got spread so much that Joe Biden ended up calling it out and later clarified that they don’t have proof as well.
And Reddit has been banning pro Palestine subs and users from yesterday.
I sincerely doubt they’re banning “pro-palestine” subs and users and are banning the ones supporting Hamas and mindless violence. Reddit is far more anti-zionist than any other social media, for example.
Not to say that the Israeli propaganda machine isn’t running, but there is definitely a portion of antisemitic backing for Hamas (not Palestine) that’s going to get places banned for not following reddit’s sitewide rules about hate (just have to use some dogwhistles to get around it tho).
Reddit is far more anti-zionist than any other social media, for example.
me when i lie on the internet
Oh and by the way,
So, if I’m wrong, then what actually widely used social media is more antizionist than reddit?
Obviously,
While it’s still evil as fuck to see so much both sides garbage, I have yet to see anyone outright supporting the Zionists in this.
I think saying Israel has a ‘blank check’ to do whatever they want to Gaza is ‘outright supporting Zionists.’
Yeah, you’re right.
Sanders also reiterated his prior condemnation of the Hamas attack, calling it a “major setback for any hope of peace and reconciliation in the region – and justice for the Palestinian people.”
There was never any hope of peace and reconciliation and justice. 🙄
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Not with that attitude.
Grow up lol
EDIT ooh yeah keep downvoting Ledditors, I welcome your hatred 😜
Yeah I have no idea how these people don’t get it. Are the Palestinians expected to just accept having their calories counted and reduced, their water limited, and their electricity shut off? Like what sort of peace do you think is possible?
At this point the Israel Palestinian conflict required outside intervention
There is outside intervention!
On the side of Israel.
Literally? The peace of the grave.
