I feel like im going nuts.We are watching the destructon of a civillian population take place,cheered on by western goverments and media.I just feel sick
Agree. I can acknowledge Hamas is fucked up, while also acknowledging Israel is using a bigger stick to simply be more fucked up in a more organized way now.
With an openly racist rhetoric too. Goverment officials are calling Palestinians “savages, animals, vermin” OPENLY, the head of state is posting videos about buildings getting bombed proudly.
“But they are allowed to defend themselves” says the Western presidents.
This has nothing to do anymore with defending themselves. This is just another path to their genocide mission.
I’m curious. Put yourself in Israel’s shoes. You’ve been massively attacked by Hamas from Gaza.
What would you do next? How would you approach this war?
How would you defend yourself to make sure this never happens again.
If i try to invade your house and take it for myself, if i make you a second class citizen and subject you to constant violence and dehumanization using disproportionate force, you have every right to shoot me in the face.
If i lock you in an open air prison and arrogantly hold a huge trance festival dorectly outside the walls of your prison that celebrates peace, love, and happiness, with 0 regard for you as a human being, while you and your family waste away under my opression, I’d deserve to be shot, because thats fucking demented, unnecessary and quite frankly, callous to the point of being soulless.
If i even once had the nerve to suggest the festival celebrated peace between me and the people who are locked in said prison and cant even attend because their race inst allowed outside of those walls, even if they could afford the expensive as fuck tickets, when they are destitute because of being locked in this prison, than that would make me so fucked up, I wouldn’t blame anyone for shitting on my corpse afterwards.
And finally, i can say this no problem because its so fucking easy not to do any of these things, even on my worst days of my life, i have no worries that i might be so stupid to do any of these things even for a second.
The whole situation is the result of Israel’s land theft, apartheid, suffocating blockade on Palestinians in the first place.
Yeah there’s one universal truth in war: everyone loses. Maybe it’s their life, their sanity, their resources, or their supporters, but everyone loses.
The ruling class wins.
Which western governments are cheering it on?
Pretty much all of them?
I follow mainstream media all day and you’re so fucking wrong. You don’t know what you’re talking about, or more likely: you’ve an agenda of your own.
Both sides are murdering countless innocent civilians. This whole situation is horrible. There are no winners in this war.
Nonsense, the crimes of israel are on a complete different scale. You can’t fucking say both sides are bad when palestine fights back after decades of oppression.
Uh… Israel is killing countless people. Hamas is killing countable people. There is no comparison. It is completely lopsided. The fact that you don’t understand that indicates for everyone around you where you get your (did)information from.
I’m still baffled by what Hamas was thinking this thing would achieve. It’s giving Israel the excuse to completely wipe out Gaza. It’s one thing to destroy the wall and attack a military base, but murdering entire villages was only going to have one outcome. It’s like they wanted the opposite of Palestinian liberation.
They want to go out in “a blaze of glory” rather than fade away. Israel has been clearing them out slowly and nobody is stopping it, but if Hamas provokes Israel into doing it quickly maybe that will generate enough outrage that the world will try to stop it.
While Israel has been chipping away at Palestinian land in the West Bank, Palestinian population continues to rise, and rise faster than Israeli population at that. And we don’t see the West Bank doing these kind of attacks, only Gaza.
https://www.statista.com/chart/20645/palestine-and-israel-population-growth/
They ain’t fading away, regardless of Israel’s attacks and oppression. The “blaze of glory” is just terrorism.
The median age is 18, how convenient of you to not mention that.
My guess is that they wanted to provoke Israel into attacking, hoping that the rest of the nations in the area would use the atrocities as a justification to attack Israel.
They must know that the support for Palestinians by neighbouring countries has only been limited to lip service by most Arab countries for decades. They’re all too happy to buy Israeli tech to spy on their own populations, that’s basically the bargain they made to stay in power.
There’s basically only Iran and Lebanon that are actual “allies”, and that’s basically more Iran using those groups to make things difficult for the US, and not anything that would actually help Palestinians.
Has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe they wanted to fight back instead of slowly getting erased? There is no 5D chess going on here, its incredibly simple.
I don’t claim to know what’s really going on, this guy does though…thoughts? https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/israel-hamas-war-iran-trap/675628/
This is what I don’t get either. Israel’s reaction is 100% predictable. They knew their attack would result in thousands of their own people getting killed. Did they have an objective that they thought would help improve the lives of Palestinians living in Gaza?
It’s not for you to understand. You’re not there. You’re not suffering it, you’re not fighting it, you’re not analyzing it to save your life and your nation, you’re not planning it, you’re not preparing for your own death and ensuring it’s worth it.
Stop passing judgment based on whether you personally have the ability to figure out what specific strategy they are motivated by and start passing judgment based on the structures at play here.
Hamas made a choice. It’s time for us to either support Israel or support Palestine. Condemning Hamas to the degree that we do not render them aid means supporting Israel. Allowing Israel to fight Hamas means supporting Israel. The atrocities can be sorted out in The Hague next year.
They’re doing the Hitler strategy of taking everyone on the ship down with them, in the hope that it will inspire extremists elsewhere, and to inspire future generations to do the same because surely they are the victims here. Didn’t work out that way for Germany in the end now did it?
Also, I’m not saying that Israel is in anyway justified erasing 1.000.000 people off the map. They are also terrible.
Only one side is engaging on ethnic cleansing with racist rhetoric included. Spoiler: it’s not Palestine.
So considering the disproportionate actions against innocent civilians we’re seeing Israel do to annex some land, we’re surely will see sanctions and economic blocks against them soon right? RIGHT?
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Israel has been pretty consistent with not wanting to annex Gaza land; it isn’t like there is that much left. The focus has generally been to take over the West Bank.
Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if Israel moved Palestinians from the West Bank to Southern Gaza for “safety reasons” to clear out pockets of West Bank Palestinians.
No, they have blue eyes and our governments are subservient. And Israel cyber taskforce have backdoor everywhere or in most our infrastructure.
After all, this is how they sold the UA unanimous and unconditional support.
Get out of here with the “disproportionate actions” rhetoric. Watch any countey get shot at ONCE and take it like Israel has consistently for the past DECADES. Enough is enough. Hamas is ISIS and has been elected by the people of Gaza. Never again means never again
has been elected by the people of Gaza
Not really. The last election was 17 years ago and literally half the current population are aged 18 or younger.
Where are they supposed to go? Egypt closed their border too. Israel wants to kill them and then say “we warned you”. The israel government and Hamas need to pay for every citizen that is hurt
And go fucking where and how?? They all will just catch the train?? A boat?? A really big bus??
Also
The Israeli military said it would operate “significantly” in Gaza City in the coming days and civilians would only be able to return when another announcement was made.
Famously leaving and returning is very easy for Palestinians and they will have no reservations leaving with a potential of returning.
There’s a history of returning millennia after being forced to leave in that part of the world. I’m sure the Israeli government has a similar timeframe in mind.
Haven’t you heard? They’re taking a train to go camping.
Ooof.
Israel’s wet dream, an excuse to displace half of all Palestinians from their land, bomb it all to the ground, if there are casualties; “Hey, you were warned.”
Don’t get me wrong. Fuck Hamas, but also fuck Israel, fuck neocolonialism, fuck propaganda/disinformation about baby beheadings and free Palestine!
Hamas is the only defense of Palestine. Fuck you liberal!
Israel is a terrorist state.
Not even a state. Just a colonial project by terrorist settlers.
By colonists, for colonists
Damn, Isreal really saw what happened in fallujah and went “Ooh write that down write that down”
This coming massacre brought to you by taxpayers like you! Thank you!
Are we going to get an ICC warrant for Netanyahu or that is a special preserve for the Russian leader now.
Do no forget that your government supports israel
They do?
Israel is a terrorist state.
After 24 hours Israel will slaughter who is left and pretend like everyone who isn’t Hamas had time to leave. This smells like a thin concession so Israel can pretend like they follow international laws for whatever comes next.
And then many of those who managed to flee end up dying too, since they have nowhere to go.
Also, large crowds fleeing in panic are not exactly save in themselves. And don’t even start with people with disabilities.
I mean, Gaza is larger than just Gaza city so it could be done eventually I guess but the timeline is laughable.
It’s also one of the most densely populated places in earth. It’s not like they have a million vacant buildings ready to go. You couldn’t do this on a multi-year timeline.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
JERUSALEM/GAZA/TEL AVIV, Oct 13 (Reuters) - Israel’s military chief said “Now is the time for war” as his country amassed tanks near the Gaza Strip ahead of a planned ground invasion to annihilate the Palestinian militant Hamas group that rules the enclave and was behind deadly weekend attacks.
On Friday he was due to meet Jordan’s King Abdullah and Mahmoud Abbas, head of the Palestinian Authority in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, as part of a Middle East tour aimed at stopping spillover from the war.
America’s top diplomat, Blinken planned to visit key U.S. allies Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates - some with influence on Hamas, an Islamist group backed by Iran.
Israel’s parliament approved Netanyahu’s emergency unity government late on Thursday, including a number of centrist opposition lawmakers, to display the country’s united determination to fight Hamas.
Japan has arranged for a charter flight to depart Tel Aviv on Saturday for its citizens wishing to leave Israel, Chief Cabinet Secretary Hirokazu Matsuno told reporters on Friday.
Gazans, mainly descendants of refugees who fled or were expelled from homes in Israel at its founding in 1948, have suffered economic collapse and repeated Israeli bombardment under a blockade since Hamas seized power there 16 years ago.
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This is barely even a “formality” before a massacre. Israel was looking for an excuse to go all out without any restraint and they got it. It’s fucking tragic that these bastards are playing with civilians lives. Fuck both authorities.
Israel committing apartheid since 1940s
You in 2023: FuCk bOtH SiDeS
It’s a war between genocidal terrorists and apartheid colonialist fascists, with a massive civilian body count on both sides. Can’t we all just be sad about dead kids instead of being cheerleading freaks?
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Y’know, I though this @ name was familiar and so I figured I’d take a look.
https://lemmy.ca/comment/3944960
Israel is genociding and colonising Palestine since about 80 years. Ukraine was genociding Donbass for 8 years.
… yeah, I’m not sure I’m really going to take him seriously on his opinion on geopolitics. Blocked.
