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    Restaurant Brands International owns Burger King, Tim Hortons, Popeye’s Chicken, and Firehouse Subs

    Fuck RBI, they are lying war profiteers putting tax revenue in the hand of the Kremlin which it uses to fund it’s war of genocide in Ukraine. Do not eat in any of their restaurants

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      Especially with firehouse subs having such a purpose washed image/mission, you think they’d be smarter.

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      War profiteer is an interesting way to look at it. If a company doesn’t cut ties with warmonger countries, they are war profiteers ?

      They should also get away from US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and most of the “developed” countries that are historically exploiting poor countries ?

      They sell fucking burguers, if they manage to not put too much garbage in the food to save money, they are doing enough.

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      Are you also telling us how much they own of those Burger King franchises in Russia they are supposed to shut down?

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        They are getting paid 100% of the franchise fees of their Russian businesses.

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        You don’t own franchise partners by definition. They are individually owned restaurants that pay you a fee to use your brand (name, menu, marketing, etc.).

        „Shutting down“ here means: Don’t renew these franchise contracts. The restaurants will continue to exist, but they will have to rebrand and be less lucrative.

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          but they will have to rebrand and be less lucrative.

          And what do you do if those Russian franchise owners refuse to rebrand and continue using the BK name, supplies and signage?

          Do you stop providing logistical support? Do you cut them off the BK supply chain (shut that down too) and not provide any new menu items / marketing materials?

          Has BK done that?

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      hexbear
      unironically saying Russia is the victim of imperialism

      Yeah that checks out.

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        I mean he’s not wrong, out of all the things to try and start an outrage about, this is just dumb.

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          They ARE wrong though. They’re acting like we’re only getting mad about one thing at a time. What kind of smug asshole goes on the internet to peddle moral superiority over strawmen?

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            It’s moreso that the emphasis on issues is very often skewed by MSM to the stuff that matters a lot less, and then the normies all get in an outrage. Does it really matter if BK is still in Russia? They’re not actively working with the Russian military right? The money is flowing out to the glorious USA BK hq no?

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    They outrage is such a great example of western exceptionalism. The existence of western consumer businesses in the countries of the non-Aryan jungle is supposed to be an immense benefit to these places and their departure must necessarily be disastrous for them. Nowhere is the idea entertained that Russians are perfectly capable of creating their own shitty burger restaurants to replace those if the west.

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      It’s like that 80s news footage of the first McDonald’s opening in Moscow where they’re like so-true ”finally those filthy commies get to enjoy our superior Western treats”

      Then they interview someone who says it wasn’t really worth it to stand in line and pay so much lenin-laugh

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        Man your historical revisionism is almost endless at hexbear.

        I grew up in a navy/embassy family, so moved around every 3-5 years onto new postings. At an embassy posting in Stockholm, it was common for the attaché-community to pair newly arrived families with someone who had been there for a while. My mum thus got paired with a newly arrived Soviet wife-of-an-attaché to show her the ropes of diplomat life. This lady was on her first posting (it was quite common for Soviet embassy staff to have a LOT of newcomers for fear that they would get to used to western life style and seek asylum) and she was showing this lady where to do shopping in Stockholm. I was joining as I was too small to be left at home on my own.

        So we walk into this supermarket and the Soviet lady sort of walks in, stops for a second, then walks through the one-way gates and stops again. And then she bursts into tears.

        Diplomat life is hard on partners - so tears in the opening days aren’t that uncommon. My mum pulls her to the side and starts saying the usual (“I remember when we started”, “it’ll get better” bla bla) and the Soviet lady says basically “you don’t understand! I’ve never, ever seen so much choice and food and my life”.

        She wasn’t crying because she had left home. She was crying because she was realising how fucked up home was - and remember this is someone who was sent out as a diplomat so reasonably well connected at home.

        The West had a reason for its exceptionalism back then. Compared to many places it still does. In others, of course, we need to wake the fuck up - China is a great example, where there is definitely no cause for a feeling of exceptionalism. Russia, oh boy, yes we can still feel exceptional.

        Go on then, dismiss me with your hexbear memes and be gone.

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            Vuvuzela 9000 dead. Don’t believe me? My parents used to live under the tyranny of communism and then left after they took their slaves.

            Still think communism is cool? Guess again.

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              listen up kid my dad worked in a european embasy and he said the people we bombed where poor so think again COMMIE about how many freeDOMS we have as a result of our rape of the third world

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            Well, if you need to compare a diplomat to a homeless person, then that is a pretty big self own.

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            Give me a break. No system is perfect and the discussion isn’t about perfection vs horror. It’s about a series of tradeoffs and the tradeoffs done in the west broadly resulting in better outcomes, on average, for the population there than they did in the Soviet Union. For China nowadays, I’m less certain. Definitely in the big Tier 1 cities, life is on par with Western outcomes, for some better for some worse.

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              I’m just saying, it’s ironic to use that example of a diplomat as opposed to how many people live paycheck to paycheck barely able to make ends meet or are actually homeless, I doubt those people are crying in joy when they walk into a Walmart

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                I think you’ve missed my point entirely - that could be my fault.

                The example illustrates that even for those well-connected enough in the Soviet Union the sight of a western supermarket was enough to make them weep (this was ‘88).

                I brought this example up to address the false belief that people in Russia weren’t all that impressed with western products (like McDonalds) back when the Soviet Union existed.

                I don’t know how you’re managing to connect that with how people live today and their experience of walking into Walmart.

                Finally, this didn’t take place in Harrods but in ICA in Sweden. Hardly a luxury shop - just an average supermarket.

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                  The idea of communism (extremely simplified) everyone has the means to live and people at “the top” don’t get special privilege on that, obviously almost all actual implementations turn into dictatorships so the point is somewhat moot, however the fact a well connected diplomat in a communist country had to live in the same conditions as other non-well connected people would be a positive, not a negative, they’d see and hopefully be able to improve the lives of everyone as they understand what it’s like.

                  Compare that to a majority of the rich and powerful in America, they’re so ridiculously disconnected from the average experience that they literally do not understand at all what it’s like for those with less.

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              Better outcome is when everyone is homeless and dies from preventable diseases due to unaccessible healthcare, BUT they have a choice of 50 different shampoos.

              And the horror is when everyone has a roof, is educated, in good health, but has to munch on the disgusting government provided nutritious food. 😡

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                When even a Russian diplomat has less options than an American homeless person, it should tell you enough.

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          This is unironically funny as hell. Great copypasta, I’ll add it to my collection.

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            Well, there’s no use sitting here arguing about this, is there. I know the truth hurts, so it’s easy to reject.

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              What sort of nonsense response is that? Anyone can poop out any anecdote they like to support their position and say “I know it hurts so it’s easy to reject”.

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          And that Soviet lady’s name? Albert Einstein!

          Liberal theory is just bullshit anecdotes on top of bullshit anecdotes.

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      You’re missing the point. For BK to operate in Russia means dollars flowing into Russia, because BK needs to buy Rubles. Dollars that Russia needs to buy arms on the international market, because nobody is accepting Rubles.

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        This is true. However, if I owned BK, I’d see this as an amazing business strategy, although a quite unethical one (but as we can see, multi million+ dollar companies aren’t the most ethical either way). I mean, now the literal government has an interest for it to stay in business, they may even start to promote the brand.

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        Except BK is an American company. They wouldn’t operate in Russia if they weren’t making a profit. So their net effect is to have money flowing out of Russia.

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    There has been a lot of debate on this. Is it cruel and unusaul punishments. Have the russiand done things so bad to deserve burger king. only time will tell.

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    Who the fuck cares who is still open in Russia. Theres plenty of companiess still open in Israel where’s the outrage over that?

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    Don’t like it, don’t go there. Tell them why.

    Personally I’m boycotting them. Not because of any moral justification, but because they sell overpriced disappointing mulch.

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      Literally worst fast food joint and the only people I’ve met who claim otherwise have objectively bad taste.

      Like no joke, objectively, “I love a butter and cheese sandwich on wonderbread”, British, wouldn’t know flavor if it ripped their tongue out.

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        I have to make my own burgers now. Most places serve fast food swill, and the only nice place has switched to brioche buns.

        Brioche buns are not load bearing buns! They fall apart at the slightest contact with moisture. I will die on this hill forever.

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          Surely most untoasted buns will fall apart if dealing with anything outside of a basic burger?

          If you use a small, cheap bun, you can’t expect toppings to not break it apart.

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            As opposed to dying in a valley forever, totally painless.

            I’m curious about dying on a hill temporarily though.

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        You rank BK as worse than McDonald’s? I only ask cause I’ve worked at both, and I would put McDonald’s just the tiniest bit lower than BK. Wendy’s is barely better than both BK and McDonald’s.

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            Back when i used to have fast food, I liked BK over McD because i preferred their fries and i liked their jalapeño poppers.

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                McD fries are too soft and when they get cold they are absolute garbage. They almost seem soggy, without getting wet. BK have a crunch to them. At least this is the case in the UK.

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                Not going to say they’re good, but it is wild as fuck how much of a difference franchises can make. There are several BKs in my city, but a select few are owned by a different franchise than the majority of the others. Their food is WAY better, consistently, than the others, and it’s usually a lot fresher tasting.

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        I sent my sister a bottle of fry sauce that she’s been trying to find for years (she never thought to check Amazon lol), this is what she sends me back. Told her she was supposed to use it to enhance good food, not make terrible food tolerable. not Mmmm

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    Every hexbear comment reads like AI trained only on the Tumblr accounts of 14 year old boys with Stalin body pillows.

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      Absolutely brilliant description.

      Say anything remotely negative about Dictatorship 1 and Dictatorship 2, and they come scrambling out of the woodwork with a long rant full of lies, stupidity, and revisionism and a couple of those cringe ass, unnecessarily large emojis to go with it. Honestly sick of them. Individual instance filtering can’t come fast enough.

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      I just clicked the rainbow pentagram to see that version of this comment thread. Wow. So glad we defederated from those assholes.